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Section structure

Should this list have a different arrangement? For instance there are games from books, and then there are games from television. However the current arrangement will probably work until it grows larger. I'll leave it to more experienced wikipedians to choose.

KevinGould

You could be right. I chose this arrangement because it was the same way that similar lists such as List of fictional brands are arranged. However, if people think it would work better as outlined above, I'll change it. Daibhid C

And it could constitute original research. This is not my last name (talk) 15:48, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sabacc

Sabacc does exist outside of Star Wars, but it comes from Star Wars...Using the definition in the article, sabacc doesn't belong here, but I think it still has a place in a list like this...I'm not sure what to do here. :\ Ergbert 04:45, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sabacc fits the current definition (originally from fiction, rules created by fans). I've changed ithe paragraph saying real games don't count, since it seened to contradict this. I'm still not sure it exactly explains the difference between a fictional game that really exists (like Sabbac, or Cripple Mr Onion) and a real game that's associated with, and is played in, a fiction (like 3d chess, or Thud). In fact, the more I think about it, I'm not even certain that 3d chess doesn't count!

Any thoughts?

Daibhid C 15:35 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I would add a section for games developed from fiction (and/or adapted by fiction), specifically note the difference, and list them there. MakeRocketGoNow 19:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think games introduced in fiction belong here, even if they're subsequently turned into real games by fans or by the original author or publisher. (There are actually Quidditch games at Harry Potter fan conventions, though the rules have to be modified a bit for Muggle accessibility.) *Dan T.* 12:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion

Should minigames of video games be included here? They were explicitly made for the game, for the purpose of actually being played by the player, so are they really fictional per se? Current entries include:

Triple Triad - a card game in Final Fantasy VIII played with cards depicting monsters and characters from the game.
Tetra Master - a card game in Final Fantasy IX played with cards depicting monsters and characters from the game.
Blitzball - Final Fantasy X
Sphere Break - Final Fantasy X-2, a mathematical game in which coins of differing values are used to break a numbered sphere.
Speed Card Game - a card game featured in the game Xenogears

There's also games in which the player exclusively plays a game within the real game, such as:

The World- a very popular MMORPG in the .hack anime series.
Pokémon Battle - Average Turn based strategy fight, only with teams of six little critters! Pokémon from Nintendo

Both of these were featured in anime, but were developed by game companies and were intended to be a primarily game based franchise.

Other types of media create fictional games to further the plot or enrich their worlds. While at times they may develop into actual playable games, chances are slim that this was the original intent of the author. Video game minigames are the opposite; they were created to be played.

~ Eidako 07:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing should included here that was actually meant to be played by real people (like a mini-game within a video game). Likewise, I think all the games that are really just one-off jokes should be removed (like Hungry, Hungry Oprahs). Only games that fictional characters play should be included. --Tysto 17:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know the name of the board game they were playing in the begining of one South Park episode that had some gaint guy's head with grey hair in the middle?

Dotcomopoly

I've included Dotcomopoly, since I finally found the Maxim magazine issue where it was the illustration for the article. I thought I remembered an actual Monopoly variant called Dotcomopoly, but a Google search failed to find any copies, so I think my memory might be playing me false. Can anyone corroborate this? --Roland 17:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Game

In "Second Game" and it's novelization Cosmic Checkmate, by Charles V. De Vet and Katherine MacLean, a chess-like game called simply "The Game", (I think) is central to the plot. See, e.g., Ace Double Reviews 14. I don't have the Wiki editing skills to add this to the page nicely, but perhaps a more involved person could do so. Xanthian (talk) 02:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-feet

it would be a hilariouse fun filled game is someone got a round to programe a version of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.93.46 (talk) 12:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Riemann Surface Tennis

Riemann Surface Tennis is not fictional. Yes, it is mentioned in Huxley's book, but it is a real game, widely played, though rarely under that name. You can buy it commercially, though I don't know what name it is sold under. There is a vertical post between the two players, and the ball is on the end of a string, whose other end is fixed to a device that moves up the post for each circuit it performs one way around the post, and down for each circuit the other way. One player tries to get this device to move to the bottom of its range, the other, to the top. The post acts as a "pole" in the mathematical sense, so that the space which the ball can occupy is in effect not our normal 3-space but a Riemann surface. Maproom (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I find that is is called swingball. Maproom (talk) 21:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above link redirects to "tetherball," which I've played with the cord attached directly to the top of the post, rather than to a device that moves up or down depending on the direction of the circuit. In the version I know, victory depends on the direction the cord is finally wound up, not on the final height of the ball. As the ball's orbit contracts, the cord winds lower on the post, so I think the ball's path more or less describes the surface of a cone with base near the top and tip near the midpoint of the pole. Is there in fact a different game called "swingball" in which the ball occupies a Riemann surface? Perhaps Mookie Ball, described at "Totem Tennis," the redirect from a search for "swingball"? Sounds fascinating. Could there be other versions, real or imaginary, based on other Riemann geometries? Jackaroodave (talk) 19:38, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Grifball

Should it really be included, as it is an actual Halo mod that one can play over Xbox live? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.232.6 (talk) 18:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

World Domination

What about the game, I think called World Domination, from the Bond movies? Yo get a bad shock when you lose... jlodman 23:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlodman (talk • contribs)

Video games

Previous consensus in this AFD appears to have been to exclude all video games. Is this consensus still valid? I notice there are already a few in #Other games. Should these be split to a new section "Video games", removed entirely, or left as is? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 17:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That AFD is four years old, and focused on an article that only lists fictional video games. And as you say, other video games have been posted here in "other games" without objection. If board games, card games, and role-playing games all merit their own sections here, I see no reason why video games should not receive a section here as well, provided they keep the same concise formatting as the existing sections. In short: yes, I think video games should be split to a new section. (If anyone has an issue with this, please say so; otherwise, I'll probably create that subsection myself in a few days.) JEB215 (talk) 02:34, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, consensus appears to have changed. I've separated out video games that I could recognize and added Crunch Pod. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 15:52, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:IINFO

Wow, this is really indiscriminate and unhelpful. I had expected it to be an article about significant fictional games; instead it's an indiscriminate list of (in many cases) throw-away joke games mentioned once on TV or the Internet somewhere, almost certainly as a result of original research. It is almost entirely unreferenced (and I'm not sure that the one-and-only ref would actually be acceptable per WP:RS). It may be known by another name, but I am fairly certain that Shirling is real, having read descriptions of an identical "game" from India and the Near East prior to the 19th century (I think it was even featured in at least one movie, maybe Gladiator). This "article" could really use some serious work. I'd offer to do it, but I'm not even really convinced that we need an article in this space. While an actual article on significant fictional games might be useful or interesting, I think that the present state of this piece illustrates why such an article may not actually be possible. Heather (talk) 15:40, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On looking at this list further, it isn't just an indiscriminate list, it's worse than that; it's a spamtrap. Would there be any objections to, perhaps, whittling this down to only fictional games that have articles about them? "Games" that were a one-time one-line throw-away joke on The Simpsons and whatnot obviously would never qualify. Heather (talk) 15:28, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that spamtrap is the intention. If there is anything at all like a list of fictional games, then well-meaning contributors are going to add their own favourite fictional games to the list. Having them all here in one place is relatively harmless, and unclutters the rest of Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 15:34, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me. Heather (talk) 21:57, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the organization is indiscriminate and would tend to constitute original research. Some of the entries are in the wrong section. This is not my last name (talk) 15:43, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See this more as pre-stub rather than spamtrap

Game name: Bataos (The "o" should have umlauts or whatever over the top of it) Source tittle: Matter, Book ISBN 978-1-84149-417-3, pg 224, publisher: Orbit, Author: Iain M. Banks "He folded a piece, moved it, set it down. It unfolded itself as it settled and clicked down a few leaves of nearby pieces, subtly altering the balance of the game. But then, Anaplian thought, every move did that." pg 225 124.170.35.171 (talk) 04:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock isn't fictional. It was invented by Sam Kass and Karen Bryla in 2002 or so, long before the Big Bang came out. I remember being taught the rules at an RPG tournament in 2005 or so. I'm removing it from the list, since Wikipedia itself says that the game was invented long before the TV series was conceived. 124.149.53.53 (talk) 14:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Rules" for the video game listing

I looked up a copy of the old "List of fictional video games", and I see why it was removed... it was rather massive and uninformative. So I have a proposal for some "rules" for inclusion... perhaps we should only list video games that either feature prominently in a work of fiction, and/or those games which we actually see (or read about) being played within a work of fiction. This criteria would help us avoid turning this into a laundry list of, say, game titles only briefly mentioned in passing as a joke.

Also, I think we should avoid listing fictional games appearing in other video games if those "fictional" games are playable as minigames. If it's playable, it's not really fictional anymore...

Thoughts? JEB215 (talk) 02:01, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is whackbat from Fantastic Mr fox on here?

what i said — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.141.28 (talk) 02:38, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Game

There is a fictional Jumanji-like board game from The Amazing World of Gumball. I forget what it's called, but it's something like D___ & D___. The blanks are missing letters. 108.210.216.127 (talk) 15:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unnamed games

What should we do about unnamed games, such as the one in Toy Story 3 or the dice game in Egyptian mythology? 108.210.216.127 (talk) 15:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changes

This section is for discussing proposed changes brought up during the AfD. -- GreenC 13:54, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I renamed the article from 'list of fictional games' to 'fiction games'. It is important Wikipedia have an article on this topic which I believe everyone in the AfD agreed would be notable in its own right. The list can be maintained in this article without being comprehensive, including those games which have a Wikipedia article or otherwise well sourced ie. notable games. Someone will probably eventually try to split the list off again and remake 'list of fictional games' but I would oppose that until this article (the non-list portion) became long enough to justify splitting content. Otherwise it will just recreate the situation that has resulted in two AfDs. -- GreenC 13:18, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@GreenC I have moved it back, as the AfD result was not "move" but "keep". Move was endorsed by several editors, who suggested this needs a total rewrite. This hasn't been done and the article is still, very much, just a list. Frankly, I think this needs a WP:TNT approach. If you still want to move this, please start a WP:RM. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What you believe it is, and what it aspires to be, are two different things. Are you saying you disagree that it should aspire to be an article about fictional games? And, do you not agree that any such article would naturally include in it a list of games as well? -- GreenC 15:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Numberwang

really deserves a mention here

https://thatmitchellandwebb.fandom.com/wiki/Numberwang! 72.11.56.177 (talk) 19:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

German baseball in The Sirens of Titan may not be fictional.

German baseball is called Schlagball and was very popular in Germany in the 1940s. It's possible that Vonnegut saw it played when he was in Germany in WWII. 38.49.78.79 (talk) 15:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]