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I don't know where the information that Crosland died of a massive heart attack comes from, no reference given. However I have corrected it and used a source reference. paulburgin 4/6/2005—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.190.43 (talk) 22:37, 4 June 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he's 'Anthony Crossland' the organ scholar either Linuxlad (talk) 22:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT

FORMER Chancellor Lord Healey has fond memories of Susan Crosland, widow of his Cabinet colleague Anthony Crosland, who died at the weekend at the age of 84. “I’m so sorry,” says Denis Healey from his house in Sussex. “She was such a lovely girl, so much nicer than Tony’s first wife, who was a pain in the arse. “Tony was a bit AC/DC, you know. Susan Barnes, as she was known, used to pander to his tastes a little by wearing mannish clothes. I remember a walking holiday with Tony in the Black Forest in Germany in the 1940s. We were with Hugh Dalton, who was his boyfriend in a way. “Tony and I had to share a bed and, when I put the light out, he said ‘I’m feeling rather randy, are you?’ “I said ‘No, I’m not. Bugger off.’ So he got into bed with Dalton instead.” 1 March 2011 [1]—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kittybrewster (talk • contribs) 18:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:58, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Master's Degree

I've taken the liberty of removing a claim that he took "his Masters" before the war. Before the war he studied Mods, the first half of the Oxford Classics degree. After the war he returned to finish his degree, this time in PPE (it is possible he was awarded a truncated "war degree" as some were in those days, after a year or two of study, and that his PPE was some subsequent diploma, but I don't think that was the case). He would not have been eligible for his MA (which at Oxbridge is basically an automatic upgrade) until he had a) got his BA and b) six years (iirc) after matriculating and starting his BA, which would have been in the early 1940s at the very earliest. Of course if somebody wants to check a biography and put in some accurate content, feel free.Paulturtle (talk) 05:05, 19 July 2017 (UTC) Just checked the recent biog of Roy Jenkins by John Campbell, which says that he did three years of study before the war. Oxford classics is a four year course, so presumably he did Mods and then a year of Greats. It does not say he was awarded a BA at that stage. Normally it is rare and difficult to change course at Oxford (whereas as Cambridge it is far from uncommon to do different subjects for Part I and Part II). However, PPE was known as "Modern Greats" in those days, and just as in (classical) Greats one can study a lot of history and philosophy if one chooses those papers, so in PPE one can offer papers in (modern political) history and in philosophy if one wishes to specialise in that way, so maybe the change of subject wasn't as dramatic as at might first appear.Paulturtle (talk) 12:20, 19 July 2017 (UTC)+[reply]

Good grief. The man was an undergraduate at Trinity College Oxford, which still exists. Colleges keep records of their undergraduates, especially those who attain any kind of eminence. They also have archivists and librarians. All you had to do was email either of those at Trinity College Oxford, and askDelahays (talk)—Preceding undated comment added at 12:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That would be OK if the college records are published in the usual accepted sense. The complication is that wp rules say that sources must be published sources-usually books'periodicals or records easily available on the internet. Delving into manuscripts, unpublished books etc counts as "original research." Never having been to Oxford or Cambridge Universities I wouldnt know if their records are published. A class list in a college or university magazine would do the trick I would think.Spinney Hill (talk) 15:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gay or Bisexual and when

I deleted a source as it was duplicated at the same place. It is now 14 not 13. The article says he had gay affairs "early in life." Later it says he had affairs with women as well as marrying two women. Were all of the early affairs gay or were some of them heterosexual? Do any of the sources help. Were more than the alleged affair with Jenkins gay? The sources I have been able to check only mention Jenkins. The answers to these may require slight alterations to the text of the article. Spinney Hill (talk) 08:42, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1955

Did he "lose" his seat in 1955, or step down? Maybe the latter? RodCrosby (talk) 00:43, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the pages on the South Gloucestershire and Southampton Test constituencies he did ot stand n South Gloucestershire in the 1955 General Election but did stand at Southampton Test. It looks as though therefore that he stepped down. One has to ask why as in South Gloucestershire he had a majority of 5000 odd in the 1951 general election, while the Labour candidate at Southampton Test had a smaller majority. It did not look like therefore like a more winnable seat. Was there some argument in South Gloucestershire that caused him to step down or be de-selected? Do the sources help? Spinney Hill (talk) 03:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The answer to my question appears to be that there were boundary changes which seem to have changed the winnability of both seats. South Glos. lost its urban parts (on the edge of Bristol and thus became a more rural seat whilst Southampton test became more urban, but this is guesswork and deduction so we can't change the text of the article until a specific source can be found-perhaps in his biography. Spinney Hill (talk) 03:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if that is correct, he clearly didn't "lose his seat" but, rather, "contested another unsuccessfully" RodCrosby (talk) 23:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]