Talk:USS Samuel B. Roberts (DE-413)

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Add a picture. --Kross 03:35, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

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Hi, USSMinnesotaBB22. DE-413's nickname, going back decades, is "the destroyer escort that fought like a battleship". I've never heard "little" inserted there. Moreover, and more to the point, the cited page did not mention the quote at all. So I've replaced it with a citation that does. PRRfan (talk) 02:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistencies in the articles "USS Samuel B. Roberts", "Japanese cruiser Chokai", and "Japanese cruiser Chikuma"

Regarding the Battle off Samar, the article "USS Samuel B. Roberts" reports that that vessel severed the stern of Chokai, set her bridge afire, then fought her famous gunnery duel with Chikuma, causing damage to that ship's superstructure.

The article "Japanese cruiser Chokai" does not mention USS Samuel B. Roberts; attributes severe damage to a gun hit from an escort carrier destroying her torpedoes; and does not mention any torpedo hits in that engagement.

The article "Japanese cruiser Chikuma" reports that it was Chikuma who had her stern severed, but attributes the torpedo attack to TBF Avengers. It also makes no mention of USS Samuel B. Roberts.

Can these three articles be brought into agreement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.9.21.230 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is also the issue of somewhat unsupported claims in the form of flowery/heroic prose in the face of material facts; apparently the Samuel B Roberts got "so close" to the Chokai during her torpedo run that the Japanese cruiser's guns were "unable to depress enough" to hit the DE. This seems unlikely, given the low silhouette of Japanese heavy cruisers and the height of a DE's superstructure - a small target but a target still at zero degrees elevation. However, Navweaps / Campbell both state that the Japanese 8-inch weapon was capable of a -5 degree elevation - enough to hit a DE squarely in the hull at a range of a hundred yards. The 5-inch twin AA weapons are credited by the same sources with a -7 or -8 degrees elevation, again providing good short-range coverage.

There is also the matter of arming range for a 21-inch torpedo, if one is getting as close as to slip under the guns of a low-slung cruiser's bow.

It would be fairer to say that, in the event of such close action as described, the American ship successfully avoided enemy fire. 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:DC5D:6A51:E105:FAF6 (talk) 05:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]