Talk:Sutherland

Origin of name

My understanding is that the name "Sutherland" comes from it being the land to the South from the Vikings point of view. Anyone have a reference confirming this? Jake 20:38, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

"Nevermind!"? You spotted a bit of missing information, checked it validity and inserted it into the wikipedia. Good on you, I say! --Colin Angus Mackay 21:11, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It seems entirely feasible that "Suðrland" actually means sheepland as sauðr means sheep in Old Norse. There are placenames which include the word Souter as being derived from sheep in ON. It would seem more appropriate as a lot of the land in northern Sutherland is only suitable for upland farming with sheep and the Norse had a habit of naming things after what was useful to them. As I understand it, there is actually no references in the Norse sagas that Sutherland means southernland or land to the south, that just seems to be a modern interpretation.92.2.67.218 (talk) 19:55, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible, but you would need to provide a reliable source for this. Ben Mac Dui 07:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation?

Can we make this a disambiguation page? - Ta bu shi da yu 06:41, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sure, why not. The only headache will be fixing the many pages which already point here. What do you think would be the best name for the existing page to be moved to? — PMcM 21:29, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sutherland (disambiguation) now exists. Laurel Bush 15:22, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC).

Cataibh and Gallaibh

Am I right in thinking Gallaibh means land of the foreigner or Norse, while the Cat element of Cataibh is represented as Cait in Caithness? Laurel Bush 09:30, 8 August 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Gallaibh does mean "land of the foreigner/norse/non-Gaelic speakers" much as the Hebrides are the "isles of the foreigners/norse/non-Gaelic speakers". 132.185.240.121 (talk) 12:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Area committee area?

Sutherland is an area-committee area? Not as shown in the map. The committee area is a collection of Highland Council wards and the Tongue and Farr ward includes the village of Reay, which is in the taditional county of Caithness. Laurel Bush 14:17, 29 December 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Committee area seems to be a somewhat emphemeral concept, unlikely to survive long in its current form. I understand these committee areas have no legislative definition and are purely Highland Council inventions, defined in terms of lists of wards. The council can not control the development of ward boundaries and the relevant Boundaries Commision is not constrained to respect committee area boundaries. Boundaries are expected to change dramatically in 2007 (to create new multi-member wards). Therefore committee areas are likely then to have quite different shapes, and perhaps also different names. Laurel Bush 16:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Name of the peninsula?

Is there a name used to properly designate the peninsula that is composed of Caithness and Sutherland, collectively (≈ north-eastern Highlands region)? //Big Adamsky 11:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Far North appears frequently in The Caithness Courier and The John O'Groat Journal, but that term appears to have no official status. Also, it seems sometimes to mean Caithness and Sutherland and sometimes Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross. (See Caithness and Sutherland (UK Parliament constituency), Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (UK Parliament constituency) and Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross (Scottish Parliament constituency). Collectively, Caithness and Sutherland may represent a Norse/Norwegian perception of the Pictish Kingdom of Cait/Cat. Laurel Bush 12:37, 8 February 2006 (UTC).[reply]

No. It is a bit debateable if it is really a peninsula: far too broad at the "base". Better ask a geographer. The only designation that I am aware of is North-west highlands (see Category:Mountains and hills of the Northwest Highlands), which is used in geology and geography to designate all parts of the mainland north and west of the Great Glen fault, ie from Morvern and Ardnamurchan up to Caithness.--Mais oui! 13:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reay Country

I note the footnote reference to Reay Country. Dont quite understand it. I believe there was a time when the parish of Reay straddled the boundary between the counties of Caithness and Sutherland, but it never extended far into Sutherland, not much beyond Strath Halladale, and it became a purely Caithness parish under the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1889. Laurel Bush 11:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Pop?

Reference to all these legal instruments is wonderful, but what is the population of Sutherland? πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 12:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Sutherland?

Why does a search for Donald Sutherland redirect here? I don't know how to fix that, so if someone could... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stone11375 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Cline, Sutherland, Scotland

I am looking for information about a place called "Cline" in this county. Anyone have any ideas? // BL \\ (talk) 01:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably looking for Clyne. Lianachan (talk) 08:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Fishing villages

The new article content One effect of the clearances was that the fishing villages which took in displaced people retained more Gaelic-speakers is a problem. The previous text was trying to explain that fishing villages were created to provide work for those evicted in clearances. Helmsdale, for instance, is described as a "new village" in Eric Richards' The Highland Clearances (p. 254). The article's new text suggests that all these fishing villages were already in existence before the plans for clearance were developed. The only reference you have for this part of the paragraph is now a dead link, but I suspect it did not support the new text (WP:HIJACK). I suggest wording along the lines of "One effect of the clearances is that it concentrated Gaelic speakers in the newly created fishing villages, so extending the survival of the language in these communities." However, we are without a reference for that precise point – there is, I believe, an academic reference for that, but I do not have it immediately to hand. ThoughtIdRetired _TIR 20:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair comment - I hadn't intended my wording to be read to imply that the villages were all pre-existing. Some did exist as villages before their significant expansion in the 19th century, notably Golspie. Whether it was previously a "fishing village" or just a small village that happened to be by the sea is perhaps a debatable point. I have therefore adopted your suggested wording and added a reference from one of Nancy Dorian's books supporting the point that sea fishing was not a major occupation previously and the villages were essentially new. Stortford (talk) 06:42, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]