Talk:Arthur Zimmermann

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Sorry Ydorb,
I had worked on this article for quite a long time, with as complete a collation of facts for it as I was able to achieve, and it has taken me that much longer to create it.

In the meantime you have beaten me to it. I had to rewrite some of it in order to fit it into the general schema of the subject. --Dieter Simon 00:49, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dieter, excellent article on a fascinating man. I have electronic access to old NY Times articles, they served as my source. Some comments for you or others interested in his life. In contemprorary accounts (NY Times), he is always known as Dr. Alfred Zimmerman. Before the telegram, he was praised in the NY Times for being an honest man. I believe his speech explaining the telegram was inline with this. He sent it, he admitted it, and he explained why. It backfired. I'd be interested in what role, if any, he played in Hitler's government. --Ydorb 22 Mar 2004

Hi Ydorb, why don't put some details about this into the article? As I said, all I could find on the Internet was one item about Alfred. --Dieter Simon

Derek, yes why don't you put in a para about his involvement with the Irish rebellion? Can that be substantiated? After all, ministers in wartime do tend to want to hurt the enemy however they can. --Dieter Simon 23:27, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Sorry Cautious, the town Marggrabova has now got the Polish name Olecko, it is not near it, it is actually the town itself. Hope you don't mind my changing it back to Olecko. --Dieter Simon 23:05, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This article cites only one source, it needs many more. Could someone please post a notification on the page that it lacks citations? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabe90 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Post WWI and death

What happened to him after the war until his death in 1940. Seems to be a major piece of his biography missing.Abebenjoe (talk) 20:10, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

References needed

This article could be a good one if it only had inline references to back up the content. If you are unfamilar with how citations are added, here's the guide to Wikipedia Citation Templates and how to use them.--Abebenjoe (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Was he Jewish?

If so, this should be mentioned in the article. (92.11.204.130 (talk) 16:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC))

Personal exposition?

The following passage from the Speech section seem like personal opinion or a critique of the speech including interpreting what Zimmerman himself thought or believed. It seems inappropriate. I am going to remove. If someone would like to justify feel free to restore.

Thinking that the USA would remain neutral while their ships were being attacked does indicate extreme naivety on Arthur Zimmermann's part. However, it is possible he was hoping (in an equally naïve way) the world would see the desperate situation Germany had found itself in during the blockade of German shipping, and it would bring some understanding to that situation. There was honesty in his speech since he would have had occasion to reflect on the impact of the telegram and its after-effects in the meantime, yet still was prepared to present its original ideas. However, it also revealed he was seriously misinformed about the real strength of the United States vis-à-vis its southern neighbour, but that was the fault of the German intelligence services.

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Peace in the east

Perhaps I am the only one but I find the following sentence fragment confusing: (...) 'with the imminent collapse of the Russian front, (...)'. Because it appears to be written from the German perspective the implicit meaning is that the German army was on the verge of collapse on the Russian front. Obviously in 1917 it was quite the reverse, it was Russia that was on the run and Germany had the upper hand. However as long as Russia didnt capitulate the German forces could not be freed from the Eastern front, hence the importance of Zimmerman's intervention. I would argue the sentence needs to be changed to state more clearly something in the vein of:

'In March 1917, with Russian forces near collapse, Zimmermann took steps to promote Peace in the East with the Russians, (...)

TrustyJules (talk) 11:07, 25 May 2017 (UTC)