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Infobox was added without a consensus on the talk page

Hi,

An infobox was added to this article without consensus from the talk page. Here. (Sorry I wasn't sure how to link it without using an external link) Do I have permission to remove this or was there some consensus that I cannot find?

Aza24 (talk) 05:41, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gosh! That was three years ago, and there was no objection raised at the time. Still, you have got a good point, with reference to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Composers#Biographical_infoboxes. I would leave this to your discretion.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 06:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Punctuation awry?

I think the section that reads "He was also exposed to Schoenberg and admired his earlier atonal pieces, thinking Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire.[129] Above all others, Copland named Igor Stravinsky as his "hero" and his favorite 20th-century composer." should be "He was also exposed to Schoenberg and admired his earlier atonal pieces, thinking Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire above all others.[129] Copland named Igor Stravinsky as his "hero" and his favorite 20th-century composer." I.e. the period is in the wrong place. If no-one disagrees I will change it. PhilUK (talk) 19:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done PhilUK (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Odets?

The Personal life section reads "His views were generally progressive and he had strong ties with numerous colleagues and friends in the Popular Front, including Odets." No one named Odets is mentioned anywhere else in the article. Is it Clifford Odets? —Mahāgaja · talk 12:17, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Popular Front

The article mentions "Popular Front culture" and the "Popular Front movement" with no explanation of what it is. Should a link to Popular front § United States be added? —Mahāgaja · talk 12:20, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Compositions in the infobox

This was the infobox in 2020, when the dialogue above between Aza24 and Jerome Kohl took place. It was added in 2017 by Eliza rolle, and the works [1] were added by Aboudaqn. - When I restored it in 2023, I replaced the mentioning of individual works by the (more neutral) list of his compositions (and dropped the awards). This list of compositions was removed, twice. Am I the only one to think that a link to a composer's works is the best summary of his achievements, and essential to the infobox? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I commented that infobox out, - you can look at it in edit mode, or see it in versions from 2018 and 2019. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If an infobox must appear, the list of compositions seems like by-far the most useful information it could contain. I'm not sure why it was removed. Aza24 (talk) 17:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No reason it must, if you'd prefer not. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean. An infobox is best when it isn't redundant to the lead; there's no where in the lead that makes sense to link List of compositions by Aaron Copland, so the IB is a good place for it. Aza24 (talk) 23:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wholly agree with Aza24. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A discussion at the MOS:INFOBOX talk found that a majority of editors believe "List of compositions" links do not violate INFOBOXBOXPURPOSE (or, for that matter, FORCELINK- see the discussion above it). I believe they only help the reader and benefit them in finding related articles faster- fully support reinstatement. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 20:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems more like ought not than do not, but I've added the works for the moment. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the suggestion of listing three individual pieces and have the list piped to "more". What do others think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the parameter with the inclusion of "more"- being familiar with Copland, I know that the works listen are definitely his most popular, so I don't think that it's controversial to name them as such. Thanks for writing that Nikkimaria MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 13:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC) MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 13:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need a source that these works are his notable ones. The idea that this "is not the claim being made here," is a non-starter; obviously showing a handful of selected works implies that they're being presented as prominent. This selection is unsourced – Aza24 (talk) 05:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only some works are mentioned in the lead, but there is no citation that these are "his notable ones" - nor does there need to be, since there too there is no claim being made that these are the most notable, most prominent, etc. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then what is the intended claim being made? Aza24 (talk) 05:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In both cases, that these are among his works. That can certainly be sourced if it is deemed necessary. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So you're saying that the infobox is purposefully listing 3 works solely because they are "among his works". With that rationale, any three works could be listed. Aza24 (talk) 23:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. These are examples. If you'd prefer to use different examples in either case, feel free to propose that. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]