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Q1: Why is the composer referred to as "Josquin" and not "des Prez"

A1: This is simply how academia typically refers to the composer (see Higgins 2004, p. 448). It is a similar to how scholarship refers to both Leonardo da Vinci and Joan of Arc by their first names.

Q2: Why is Josquin not called a "French composer" or "Franco-Flemish composer"?

A2: Josquin was born in Flanders, though there is no agreement on the exact location; it was somewhere in either modern-day Belgium or northeastern France. Modern scholars differ on how to label him, and thus the article says he is "variously described as French or Franco-Flemish". See note #2 in the article for further information.

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Short description

I don't understand the rational for reverting the short description to the redundant "Composer of the Renaissance (c. 1450–1521)". "Franco-flemish" is not a nationality but a specific musical tradition, and Slominsky (1988) opens with "the greatest of the Franco-Flemish composers", which ought to be good enough for WP. Sparafucil (talk) 23:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Franco-Flemish often doubles as a sort of national identifier. Look at the lead "Josquin [...] is variously described as French or Franco-Flemish", described and sourced (at length) in note #2.

The point is, some scholars would say "French composer", some would say "Franco-Flemish" composer—if there's a division over that sort of thing, the short description should completely avoid taking a side. Aza24 (talk) 03:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Josquin was born in the French-speaking area of Flanders, in modern-day northeastern France or Belgium' is absolute nonsense, just like 'the Swahili-speaking part of the USA' is not in Ontario. I don't know what is meant with the French speaking part of Flanders, as Flanders is by definition NOT French speaking, or it would not be Flanders. It is definitely not in Northeastern France, or, perhaps, Australia. From the info I gather that the French speaking part of today's BELGIUM was meant, or Northern France? (Northeastern France is Alsace Lorraine, what used to be the German speaking part). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maesena (talk • contribs) 03:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]