Talk:Midwest Airlines

Sources.

• Replacing its DC-9s with Boeing 717s. [1]
• MD-80s. [1]
• 328JETs and Beech 1900Ds. [2]

[1] Midwest Airlines takes delivery of first Boeing 717 aircraft, Midwest Airlines press release, 2003-02-28 (as accessed on 2005-05-14).
[2] Skyway Airlines announces termination of discussions to operate delta connection 328JET fleet, Midwest Airlines press release, 2005-05-04 (as accessed on 2005-05-14).
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeandré (talk • contribs) 23:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC-7)

this is random, but the most significant thing I remember from flying with midwest is that they serve fresh baked chocolate chip cookies on every flight. Is that written somewhere? If yes, I think it would be a fun trivia thingey. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.128.79.129 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC-8)

DELETE "THE COOKIE ARTICLE"

iT HAS NO RELEVENSE TO BEING ON THE PAGE. SO WHAT IF THEY HAVE COOKIES ON THEIR FLIGHT. SHOULD THERE BE A PEANUT SECTION ON SOUTHWEST AIRLINES PAGE. IM DELETING IT EFFECTIVE EMEDIATLY. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.109.18 (talk)

This is a singular effort by 76.16.109.18 to vandalize the article now violating the three reversion rule. 76.16.109.18 has numerous talk messages about vandalism. Cookies and wide-seats define the Midwest experience as different from other airlines. The information is referenced and was used in Midwest's savethecookie campaign to stop a takeover. If Southwest Airlines decides that its peanuts are so distinctive as to sell them at ballparks and launch a savethepeanut campaign that would be notable in the Southwest article also. 76.16.109.18 contribution is so wrong on so many levels. Americasroof 03:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

A differing opinion . . . please don't delete the cookie reference . . .

I just updated the cookie portion of the page. I disagree about it being non-relevant. Oddly enough, it has become an icon for the airline, and a product element that has remained unchanged for many years. Amazing this has occurred in an era in which almost everything about on board service has gone through drastic change. I have a bit of knowledge on this topic, as I am the employee who developed the idea. Signed, Jay Sorensen, December 12, 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.187.229 (talk) 19:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Please understand that Wikipedia is NOT for your personal marketing efforts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.205.31.98 (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I never quite understand the angry response to the cookie section. I suspect people who object to it have never flown Midwest. The cookie is one of the defining features of the airline which differentiates it from other airlines. It is used extensively in its marketing. 13:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

you have to remember that wiki-ites aren't professionals - the whole thing is like a school project with a bunch of 8th graders putting together some report. there's nothing "encyclopedic" about it. we've read a lot of nonsense that bears no resemblance to reality but heaven help you if you try to correct it. some idiot who's read some hack article somewhere will claim he knows what he's talking about when all he's doing is spouting something that some other guy regurgitated from dubious sources, etc., etc. frankly, remember flying on this "all first class" airline a few times to and from LGA to Milwaukie. the seating was nice as were the meals and the warm chocolate chip cookies were tasty. the best part was that as the airline only had the one class, you could book seats without raising a red flag with your company's accounting department that you were flying first class (don't worry the prices were not significantly more expensive, it's just the first class descriptor that set accountants off).

Dates

There are two styles of dates in the article. The "27 October 2007" style is used more often than the "October 27, 2007" style. In the US, the latter is more common. YX is a US carrier. WP:DATE states that either style is acceptable but that only one style should appear in each article. Any desire to change the dates to the "October 27, 2007" style? If not, this style should be changed to the "27 October 2007" style.

I favor "October 27, 2007" style for this article. Archtransit 23:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

OMA As A Midwest Airlines Focus City

Since Midwest is ending LAX service from Omaha and now only has flights to MKE and DCA, can we really call it a focus city anymore? Everyone's opinions are appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MasonJ0890 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I didn't want to call it a focus city to begin with, I mean 3 destinations from 1 city? come on, but it was listed in a reference. I wouldn't include it now; there are cities that have service to both MKE and MCI and they aren't considered focus cities...Sox23 18:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

It had more than three cities when it was the second base of operations. Look at the old annual reports on midwestairlines.com. They have a route map designating it as base showing some of the cities as well as a description of the operation in several of the reports. QualityControl3533 (talk) 01:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but the press release that stated OMA as a focus city was when Midwest added DCA service (in addition to MKE and MCI) for a total of 3 cities. Regardless, this hasn't been brought up in over 6 months. Sox23 03:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea I wasn't out to argue it as a present issue but rather to indicate further reading on the record for anyone who might be here interested in finding out more about it. I'm not making any article changes or anythingQualityControl3533 (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've provided fair use rationale and source. Sox23 08:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Future Section Out Of Date

The future section is hopelessly out of date making reference to events that have already occurred and fuel costs in 2007. Unless it is updated I will nuke it. Americasroof (talk) 15:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I think between the route changes and the upcoming code-share expansion there may be something to update this with. Very disappointed that everyone is blowing off the expert tags and attempts to discuss things like this. Maybe some editors from one of Wikipedia's other projects should be brought in to supplement you and show you how it SHOULD BE done. You're kinda lazy. QualityControl3533 (talk) 01:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

NPOV Pilot's Perspective

A lot of the content for the Pilot's Perspective situation seems to be lifted directly from a pilot's union website. The Wikipedia article doesn't have any proper citations for the material.

The content seems biased, although it does bring up a pertinent topic of labor-management relations. Perhaps somebody can rewrite this section into something more even-handed or factual. Brian Powell (talk) 03:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• I did some cleanup. It could use some more work and certainly some sources, but it addresses the complaints without directly claiming them as fact. If you are editing this section please be sure not to add the e-mail address back, Wikipedia is not an e-mail directory. - sHARD (talk) 23:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

There is an inconsistency in the determination of what is a citable or reliable reference being used here. One can not claim that the pilots union statements are suspect while at the same time claiming that statements from company sources are unbiased and accurate. Even many of the statements in newspaper articles printed about Midwest come directly from quotes from company management or company-issued press releases. For example, Midwest management claimed they were making such changes as a result of high oil prices and that they could make money at $84/bbl and $115/bbl but were already outsourcing Skyway airlines before oil hit $115/bbl. When oil dropped precipitously below $115/bbl, management continued their disassembly of Midwest Airlines and the outsourcing of its pilots and flight attendants. It’s somewhat ironic that individuals who seemingly do not have first hand knowledge of the situation and history at the airline look to suppress the information being provided by those who are on the inside. It's not as if the contribution made to the article was not accurately cited as The Pilots' Perspective with a relevant web source, www.DontOutsourceMidwest.com. Meamecchairman (talk) 19:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)meamecchairman

The material that added (and have readded) looks like a press release. Wikipedia material is supposed to be written like an encyclopedia. The site http://www.dontoutsourcemidwest.com is not necessarily a credible source by itself - you need to cite underlying newspaper articles or documents to verify the assertions made there since it is basically just PR for the pilot's union. Brian Powell (talk) 20:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect Information Regarding Fulton County Airport

I amended "However, Kimberly-Clark opted against this plan after local resistance over the carrier's desire to serve Atlanta's Fulton County Airport, which was a general aviation airport on the city's north side" to reflect the fact that the airport still exists, and that it is - and always has been - located on the west side of the city. 209.183.51.65 (talk) 09:18, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

To Cease?

Will YX cease on November 2? YX Connect seems to have taken on most of the routes and YX is losing all of its fleet...

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01:20, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Midwest Airlines is still in use but flights are now branded as Frontier Airlines and Republic Airlines. Snoozlepet (talk) 00:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Photo request

I have uploaded a photo of the headquarters. I hope it is sufficient. You may find it at File:Midwest Airlines HQ Dec09.jpg -Freekee (talk) 06:24, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Update Tag

With the April 13, 2010 announcement that Midwest will cease to exist as a brand name and all flights will now be flown under Frontier branding, this article needs to be rewritten to reflect Midwest as a defunct airline. (N419BH (talk) 18:03, 13 April 2010 (UTC))

I performed this update and removed the tag. Someone with a deeper knowledge of Midwest Airlines should probably go over the article. (N419BH (talk) 14:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC))

Note: copied from Talk:Ashill: Noticed you changed the article back to present tense. While I agree "Midwest" airplanes are still around, the airline itself is gone as the airplanes are operated by Frontier and Republic. Could we compromise and call it a "current operating brand" of Republic but keep the rest of the article in past tense? Republic is basically keeping the Midwest brand until they can get the planes repainted. Once that changes Midwest will cease to exist totally. Thoughts? N419BH 00:59, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree; I tried to do precisely that. First sentence: "Midwest Airlines (formerly Midwest Express) was a U.S.-based airline and is now an operating brand of Republic Airways Holdings." For the rest of the article, I tried to make it past tense for things that are in the past (Midwest operating their own planes), present for the present (the Midwest brand, which does live on -- the cited article says the Midwest brand will survive for over a year from now), and future for the elimination of the brand). If the tense is wrong somewhere, obviously please fix it (though I checked and don't see issues). —Alex (ASHill | talk | contribs) 00:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

NEW MIDWEST EXPRESS AIRLINES

If the revival of Midwest gets going I would suggest that it get it's own page at that time. Much like Frontier Airlines (1950-1986) and Frontier Airlines have there own pages. Thank-you. 97.118.234.239 (talk) 07:22, 20 May 2019 (UTC) 5/20/19

New page for new Midwest iteration

Now that there are official plans for Elite Airways to fly for the new Midwest, I think that it would be appropriate to make a new page. This should be especially true, as much of the information on the page will not be applicable to the new Midwest, such as the airline code, fleet, focus cities, etc. He1101n+Erne+ (talk) 19:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and done this, and cleaned up this original page accordingly. It's not perfect by any stretch, but should get the job done until more information is available. Etingram (talk) 05:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)