Talk:Wimbledon

On 3 July 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Wimbledon (disambiguation). The result of the discussion was No consensus for disambiguation page, tournament moved to Wimbledon Championships.

(First comment)

I'm not sure if this page should actually redirect to the British Open (Wimbledon Championships tennis), although that will be where most people will link to. Maybe the following construction should be used:

Put the page about the tennis championships on Wimbledon Championships
Redirect Wimbledon to Wimbledon Championships
add a notice (at the top or bottom) for the town (or neighbourhood?) of Wimbledon in London

Jheijmans 01:35 Jul 23, 2002 (PDT)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was don't move. —Nightst a llion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 19:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Archive fixed; unrelated First Comments removed.Xyl 54 (talk) 04:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Wimbledon → Wimbledon (disambiguation) – Searching for "Wimbledon" is far more likely to be for the tennis tournament than anything else. Wimbledon should be a redirect to The Championships, Wimbledon with a note there to redirect to the dab page. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

Support: Per nom. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Wikiwriter706 18:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose 50 weeks a year it is a place. --Henrygb 22:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: 90% of the world spends 52 weeks a year thinking of it as a tennis event. —Wknight94 (talk) 22:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - there are enough incoming links to Wimbledon, London and Wimbledon F.C. to indicate they are of a similar importance to the tennis tournament. If in doubt, disambiguate. — sjorford (talk) 15:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The current solution is best as there are many things which may be referred to as just "Wimbledon". boffy_b 11:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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As the person who last cleared out the links leading to Wimbledon, although most were for the tennis, a few were for the place, a few for the football club, a few for the train station and one for the the film. When I was done I certainly felt that doubt existed and the dab page should remain. I wish this discussion had commenced earlier so I could have recorded some stats (maybe next time if anyone is interested). --Commander Keane 16:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- To me, the most important thing is what most people think of when they think of "Wimbledon". My guess is the tennis tournament. Almost anyone outside of the U.K. is thinking of the tournament - and that's a lot of people. Just because there are a lot of pages with Wimbledon in their name and editors have linked a lot of them to each other doesn't mean that the tennis tournament still isn't the most popular destination. But if I'm in the minority with that opinion, then so be it. —Wknight94 (talk) 17:07, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there a way to get a count of how many times a page has been visited? That's a more telling stat than how many links there are to a page. —Wknight94 (talk) 17:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - The page hit stats are not kept and so are not available, due to server load I believe. It's always a tricky balance with cases like these, it still amazes me that [American] doesn't redirect to United States.--Commander Keane 17:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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"Thе Wimbles" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Wimbledon, London which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 19:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, the discussion was closed as no change. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Simone de Almeida and James Hunter should be added to the notable residents list because they are Laureates representing Richmond. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:EAD1:7B00:55D2:F733:B8C4:AE41 (talk) 14:10, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 July 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus for the disambiguation page, but tournament moved to Wimbledon Championships. Since the two moves were for different reasons, they are to have separate conclusions.

The primary topic debate failed to reach a consensus. The opposition implicitly argued that the namesake town had competitive long-term significance and lack of confidence on the usage while the tournament is not running, while the supporters relied on the brute force of pageviews evidence. Nobody can budge. A rerun of this issue in another RM could help clarify an answer.
Participants generally rejected the original proposed tournament title, and multiple opposers in addition to a supporter and a neutral party supported Wimbledon Championships instead; the appeal of this other suggestion across disparate opinions of these participants made this appear to be the title with the firmest consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– Primary topic for this title is the tennis tournament. The tournament even has their website at Wimbledon.com. The town has longer history but is not as well known. It appears a different proposal was discussed here (moving the town to primary) with many editors instead suggesting The Championships, Wimbledon -> Wimbledon. Natg 19 (talk) 20:08, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The tennis tournament looks to be a prime candidate to be a primary topic in which internet search is mostly common with the tournament rather than the town. ApprenticeWiki ^work 21:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to oppose. As the arguments from below that The Championships, Wimbledon will be likely a move to Wimbledon (tennis) with Wimbledon to remain as a disambiguation page. ApprenticeWiki ^work 21:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The tournament is widely-known as Wimbledon - I've only ever seen the tournament organisers refer to it as "The Championships", and there's no alternative name like the "British Open" as with other grand slams. Wimbledon as in the London suburb is generally well-known solely for hosting the tournament. WP:PRIMARY applies in the same way that Silverstone refers to Silverstone Circuit and Ascot refers to Ascot Racecourse. I suggest Wimbledon → Wimbledon (disambiguation), and a hatnote on the tournament's page to Wimbledon, London and the dab page. Bonoahx (talk) 09:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This makes sense. Fyunck(click) (talk)
Would also support Wimbledon Championships as a compromise however. Bonoahx (talk) 20:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Britannica uses "Wimbledon Championships". If moved we will need to move Wimbledon, London to something like Wimbledon (area) like Finsbury Park (area). Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Why? W. P. Uzer (talk) 19:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I think the current setup helps find incorrect incoming links, but I guess the stick ball tournament could be the primary topic in this case. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Works fine as it is. The Championships is even at the top of the disambiguation page. Furthermore, people tend to google it, and will find the correct articles pretty easy. Sine Cera, Infobesity (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Could support The Championships, Wimbledon → Wimbledon Championships, but keep Wimbledon as disambiguation page. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support the tennis tournament is easily the primary topic. It is pretty much the only term used in both casual and press conversations. Many events use Championship(s) in their official titles but that has no bearing on the common name. The US Open hits you in the face at their official facebook page with US Open Tennis Championships... but we don't use that. The event should be at Wimbledon. Even "Wimbledon tennis championships" would be an improvement. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. Agree that the tennis tournament is the primary topic but would prefer Wimbledon Championships as the name as that is a good middle ground between the official and the common name.--Wolbo (talk) 23:51, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is one issue with that terminology. Per what's been happening Wikipedia-wide, unless you can show that in sentence format the word "Championship" is always capitalized, the article would have to be titled "Wimbledon championships." Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:58, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Although it is widely addressed as Wimbledon, the formal term of the tournament is simply The Championships. To rename the article would only add confusion with the ~~town~~ area of the same name, which is completely unnecessary. Similarly, Rugby union is often referred to as rugby, but there isn't a consensus to rename the Wikipedia article to rugby. Grandtubetrains (talk) 09:50, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Per WP:Precise, Wimbledon is to vague a name to describe the tennis tournament as that name can refer to multiple things. And per WP:BROKEN I cannot see a compelling reason to execute a move.T v x1 10:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The London suburb is also pretty notable. I would also support Wimbledon Championships though. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:09, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The claim to the tennis tournament being the primary topic is extremely dubious; except when "Wimbledon" is used as shorthand in the context of tennis. Disambiguation of the tennis tournament could be simplified (e.g. Wimbledon (tennis)), but "Wimbledon" should remain as a disambiguation page. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 13:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any evidence that the tennis tournament is not the primary topic? The tournament is currently in the news now, but even excluding current events, Pageviews show a clear PT. Natg 19 (talk) 07:22, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose moving to Wimbledon (tennis) but support Wimbledon Championships per Britannica. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:48, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These arguments in support of a move have already been ~~moved~~refuted.T v x1 09:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? What does this mean? Natg 19 (talk) 07:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There are 25 links (plus one red) on the page. At most times of year there's a good chance that a reader arriving here would be looking for something other than the tennis.--Cavrdg (talk) 08:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I would take an educated guess that 99% of the time, no matter what time of year, it would be for the granddaddy of all tennis tournaments. Obviously the community rules of where we put the article, but let's not kid ourselves. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wimbledon, New South Wales

There is also a Wimbledon close to where I live.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Wimbledon+NSW+2795

It's even smaller than Hobbys Yards but we have articles for even smaller places in the US, so maybe... Andrewa (talk) 00:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added it, it seems to be legally recognized[1]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:38, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]