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July 2024

@Akmal94: Stop edit warring and removing sourced content again and again. Seek WP:CONSENSUS here per WP:BRD. You've also deleted the warning message mentioning the same from your talk page. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to religion in the infobox

The current religion section in the infobox includes Shias, Sikhs, and Hindus as Pashtun minorities. The supposed Hindu Pashtuns seem to be an isolated group of a few people who live in India, while the Sikh Pashtuns seem to be a few hundred people in Pakistan. Neither of these groups warrant inclusion in the infobox, as including them presents a misleading image of these groups being significant minorities among Pashtuns. You can find small groups of any religion among most ethnic groups. To compare to other groups - Kazakhs have about 40k Christians according to their Wiki page (a much greater proportion compared to the proportions of Sikhs/Hindu Pashtuns), yet their infobox simply says "predominantly Islam" for religion. Tajiks have 2,600 Christians according to their Wiki page, but the religion infobox lists only Sunni and Shia Islam. Uzbeks have 7k Zoroastrians, but the infobox simply lists "predominantly Sunni Islam".

That said, these groups are notable enough to remain in the article in the religion section, though not in the infobox. I propose changing the infobox to simply list "predominantly Islam", which covers probably about 99.99% of Pashtuns. PatriarchMacbeth (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sourced material removing reasons

@Noorullah21: Dear user, now you express your logical and reasonable reasons regarding the removal of sourced material in the article. Thank you! Nooritahir734 (talk) 05:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nooritahir734 As I said, any further reverts would see an ANI report against you, which has been done. It was up to you to discuss your edits a long time ago per WP:ONUS.

Britannica is not WP:RS. Noorullah (talk) 05:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You shouldn't have done that, you should have discuss, and if I acted against the consensus, then you could have filed a complaint at ANI, not now. Before that I said that I will discuss on the talk page and I came to a more definite conclusion and reach a consensus and until you do not have a better source than Britannica, sources and materials should not be removed.

And I shouldn't stop editing, which is reasonable and legal by your faulty warning (any further reverts would see an ANI report against you). I have the same right to edit as you do and you should not behave like an administrator. Thank you! Nooritahir734 (talk) 08:16, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“You shouldn't have done that, you should have discuss, and if I acted against the consensus, then you could have filed a complaint at ANI, not now”

He had every right to revert you and take this to ANI when you didn’t stop edit warring. Per WP:ONUS, the burden is on you to attain consensus. You were supposed to cease from reverting to your preferred edit and take this to the talk page.

“The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.”

Wikipedia:Verifiability#Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion

That means you in this case. Your trying to add content that got disputed by another editor, which means YOU have to build consensus, not Noorullah

“ Before that I said that I will discuss on the talk page and I came to a more definite conclusion and reach a consensus and until you do not have a better source than Britannica, sources and materials should not be removed.”

Respectfully, It doesn’t seem that you have a good grasp on how consensus works. You can’t just declare consensus because you think you’re right. You need to actually build it by discussing with the community.

So far you’ve been reverted by multiple editors, and nobody has come forward to support your position. That means you are far from reaching consensus.

For now you need to refrain from reverting and attempt to gain consensus through discussion here in the talk page. Someguywhosbored (talk) 09:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kushan not sakas

The description of fall of the greko bactrians are for yuezhi tribes which strapo mistook for sakas. You can furthur read on yuezhi and kushan empire pages. This is an important mistake that should be fixed. 178.232.246.100 (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]