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I also found the absence of Can-con pretty odd. This is such a quintessentially Canadian haircut, managing to continue through the decades and often described as "hockey hair." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.246.130.248 (talk) 18:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, the hairstyle was invented in Canada, and it was typically called 'Hockey Hair'. It also had a strong association with acid-wash jeans and the 'Canadian Tuxedo'. The 'tux' had its genesis in patches applied to the back of jean jackets depicting hard rock, and later, heavy metal bands. That happened when former 'head shops' stopped selling bongs and changed their names to 'Rock Shops', with their main product being those jean-jacket-back patches. At first it was Van Halen, AC/DC, and Def Leppard. It happened in early 1983; one day nobody in your school was wearing them, then the next day half the males in the school were sporting them, and it was a running joke to point out who convinced their mom to sew it on, and who had to do the stitching themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.92.37 (talk) 10:25, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't looked recently, but there was no historic reliable source to prove that this phenomenon was known by the name earlier than the Beastie Boys. There are probably three names from 1970s UK, none being Mullet. This article - like others - has been destroyed by people 'voicing' their own internal thoughts. It was linked to 1967 Cool Hand Luke (by virtue of the phrase used by actor George Kennedy, 'mullet-heads'), and ridiculously linked-back to the 1800s, calling it Skullet.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct, even the women and children sport mullets in Moscow, an amazing representation of what they look like over there. We dont often see this in the media though, which I for one think is a bit of a shame. 90.215.30.30 (talk) 01:13, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why the men in those pictures loo so damn retarded. Couldn`t you get some good pictures with better lookin models. Really the blond curly haired guy has a fuck-face out of this earth. Please solve this for the sake of good taste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.74.43 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 2 December 2008
I understand that this page is very controversial, but I am not happy with the photo. That child should not have his image up on the internet for all the world to mock. 99.232.49.238 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC).[reply]
In a 22 December 2008 Wired blog article claiming that Apple customers can no longer consider themselves special or hip, the mullet-coiffed Phil Schiller (Apple senior VP of worldwide product marketing who will be speaking in Steve Jobs' place at the 2009 Macworld Expo) is cited as evidence of such non-hipness. Perhaps these sort of references could be captured in a "Cultural references" section in the article? SteveChervitzTrutane (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
personally I love seeing mullets.Its the best of both worlds...it says im here for buisness but im not afraid to party!!!!! -caca[reply]
I recently deleted some obvious vandalism in which the vandal added to the section describing who the mullet was popular with. Said vandal added the words, "as well as Dykes,and people who go under the name Imperiel Executive." Now a different IP has added, "as well as many lesbians." However, to state that the haircut is popular in the female homosexual community would not be false. Should this be deleted, reworded, or left as is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kronos o (talk • contribs) 17:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Despite nearing the year 2014 Pittsburgh is still considered the Mullet capital of the United States. Roughnecks from neighborhoods scattered around this lunch bucket town refuse to abandon the mullet regardless of how antiquated or ridiculous a look the mullet is. Hoards of mulleted individuals men and women populate undesirable areas around town. In addition to their signature hairstyles they can also be identified by a general lack of manners, proper hygiene and intellect. 68.55.58.46 (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But doesn't that apply to just about the entire area of the continental United States? OK, so this is original research, but on my business trips to the heart of the "free world" all I ever see are obese, waddling people with mullet haircuts. It's a bizarre standard that doesn't seem to have surpassed anywhere else in the English-speaking world. (Except with maybe the Northern Territories in Australia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.93.149 (talk • contribs) 12:44, 15 December 2009
This comment "on my business trips to the heart of the "free world" all I ever see are obese, waddling people with mullet haircuts" is far from being OR. It is self-evident to anyone who has ever been the Inland USA. 2.10.147.218 (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
MULLETS ARE HERE TO STAY!
-Judging someone on their prefered hairstyle is ridiculous! As human beings we should really open our minds and realize that fashion or style or apperance DOES NOT determine what kind of peson one is. Everyone is different and has different opinions in which their entitled to, of couse, but have some respect. and no I myself do not have a mullet but I am a hairstylist and I have styled/cut a mullet and honestly it's looked pretty sweet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.232.214.211 (talk) 20:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article says that 'mullet' is not derived from the fish or from mullethead, and supports this claim by referencing a page that says that it might be derived from the fish (and doesn't rule anything out). This doesn't make sense, and the article referenced is just guessing without any firm evidence. I'm going to remove that bit. Melaena (talk) 03:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In Chapter 29 of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Tom Sawyer says: "Yes, I know; but you can't depend on them. It's the way they've acted from the very start—left us to do EVERYTHING. They're so confiding and mullet-headed they don't take notice of nothing at all. So if we don't GIVE them notice there won't be nobody nor nothing to interfere with us, and so after all our hard work and trouble this escape 'll go off perfectly flat; won't amount to nothing—won't be nothing TO it."
yes, but even if mullet-headed referenced the fish, it meant (i'm guessing) some combination of "myopic/dumb/unaware/stubborn", and as that expression had currency in English, that is the meaning that may have transferred to the hairstyle. 68.173.49.156 (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the mullet is particulary common in Spain nowadays, as the article implies with no citations. I'm Spanish, I have only seen people from a certain urban tribe using it, which seems to indicate it's far from common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.220.132.133 (talk) 21:56, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Beastie Boys did not coin this phrase, to say so is wrong and detracts from the rest of the article. The references cited at OED do not even support the claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidanr444 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They did not coin the phrase, but they were apparently the first to tie it to a hairstyle. Before it was just a slur for dimwitted people. Nerfer (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I look forward to you finding an historical, hard published source, contemporaneous to that year, to support that assertion, Stub Mandrel. Online have no historical value, usually, unless carrying facsimile documents of the time - see this as an example that I have just added to an article.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:56, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to say that "The mullet in the Classical Period" is the best section header I've seen in a Wikipedia article. Keep up the good work. -- Gyrofrog (talk)07:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I had "a shag" in the 1970s, but this was quite obviously the same as a mullet today. In a recent discussion online, I discovered my memories were not at all unique, that most of us who had a shag in the 1970s agreed it was what is now called a mullet and that we, in fact, had never even heard the term until the late 1980s (not being a Beastie Boy fan, I had not even heard it until the 1990s). I would like to see some references about the history of the mullet and the shag from fashion magazines of the eras being discussed. NightBear (talk) 04:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think that this article could do with a mention of Afrikaners, as the haircut is well enough established as a stereotype for some Afrikaners that MK (channel) had a show titled Mullet.
See also this quote for example: "It’s a place where men can for are be wearing khaki shirt wiff very short shorts. Crocs are officially recognised as being “super kool” and mullets are always in fashion."[1]
Apart from the obvious overrepresented popularity in the USA, I've noticed that many people regarding themselves as being part of a Christian or pronounced Christian movement wear the mullet. One example would be Duane Chapman (Dog the Bounty Hunter) who sports it. Zuckerberg (talk) 14:22, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just drawing your attention to this page of delights, Señor Teasy-Weasy. Have you seen some of the above comments?
It’s a place where men can for are be wearing khaki shirt wiff very short shorts. Crocs are officially recognised as being “super kool” and mullets are always in fashion.
I had "a shag" in the 1970s..
Pittsburgh is still considered the Mullet capital of the United States. Roughnecks from neighborhoods scattered around this lunch bucket town refuse to abandon the mullet regardless of how antiquated or ridiculous a look the mullet is. Hoards of mulleted individuals men and women populate undesirable areas around town. In addition to their signature hairstyles they can also be identified by a general lack of manners, proper hygiene and intellect.
Mangoe, my additions you just reverted were not the same as the previous information. The sources I chose explicitly compare that particular 6th-century hairstyle to the mullet. The first cited work is by J. P. Toner who has written many books on Roman culture:
Interestingly, they also wore their hair long, except in the front where, mullet-style, they cut it short across the forehead.[2]
The second is by Peter Heather, bestselling author and Professor of Medieval History at King's College London:
These young men liked, Procopius tells us, maximum facial hair, mullets, wide-lapels and plenty of bling."[3]
Looking over past versions of this article, it seems like this article has been dying a slow death for years. I was bold and reverted to a much more comprehensive version of the article, from 2008. As the article exists now it is barely a nanostub. Herzlicheboy (talk) 22:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Your "more comprehensive version" of the article replaced some properly referenced material with plenty of WP:OR and WP:V, contrary to Wikipedia policy. It appears most of that 2008 OR content was removed on 18 November 2008 [4][5]; that reduction wasn't "a slow death". However, it may be appropriate to bring back some of the older material if appropriate references can be added and if it doesn't infringe on policies and guidelines such as WP:NPOV, WP:SYN and WP:RS, and the article could definitely use more than the current 13 references. Dl2000 (talk) 19:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It was called a "mullet" in the UK in the early 1980s. Sadly I no longer have a copy of a cartoon I drew of our University rock society's (Aberocsoc) committee in 1982 which featured one chap who was known as 'Mullet' on account of his hair style. The cartoon clearly showed the hairstyle and documented his nickname. Stub Mandrel (talk) 15:50, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All of the sources are post-internet; whereas I accept that it is/was a 1980s style and the allusion to Beastie Boys, a 1970s sub-section asserting that David Bowie, Mr McCartney, etc., is misleading and simply satisfies WP:VNT - someone wrote their opinion 40 years later, retrospectively-applying a much later term. No historical value whatsoever. Also see WP:SYNTH and WP:FRANKIE - swamping this article with people or even cartoons showing the style. In 1993, Superman wore a mullet?!
There has been a problem with the lead images for the article. This is the one that was leading:
It has been said that there is no mullet on the picture, I strongly disagree with that since the mullet is clearly seen, the hair is long in the front of the head, and the same as in the back, and both sides of the head are shaved. The photograph clearly shows a proper mullet, yet there have been some users who claim it is not, or just claim that is a "junk image" which certainly is a bad way to revert something just because you don't like it.
The one that has been placed instead, is this one:
Certainly I do not see the mullet in here, sides are not properly shaved, and hair is yet not enough long to be seen as what the mullet haircut is. It claims to be a "modern mullet" but what that is? Specifcally, what is a modern mullet?
Another suggestion from me is that both images shall be placed into the article as leads. I started this discussion cause the image was just taken out without even a proper concensus or discussion. Awaiting for comments, greetings. Loki4050 (talk) 17:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This article is a disgrace - it has been mullered - butchered - by fanzone IP addresses since time immemorial. There is AFAIK no evidence that it existed before Beastie Boys. The image with the check shirt looks like 'he' cut his own for the pic. The fringe is a joke (what's that in American? bangs??).
OK, now I understand......Loki uploaded the Mex-looking shaved sides, and placed it into the article 12 minutes later. Using the word "A crop from the first image could be nice as well" caused enough suspicion for me to check.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I may have been a little hard on Loki, but nevertheless, his image is just not a beastie boys, chavvy, bogan approved mullet, and does not meet the wikipedia definition as per the lead of this article. - Roxy the English speakingdog14:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You added unreliable / spam links as sources and inserted a selfie image from a sock-puppeteer who has been blocked from wikipedia many times. Consensus on this talk page has been to exclude it. MrOllie (talk) 00:12, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You've been skating for a while by not registering an account, but if you keep pushing it you can expect that your IP will be range blocked as well. MrOllie (talk) 00:22, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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