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Notability? [[User:Supadawg|supadawg - Talk]] 17:57, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

She won a silver medal at the Olympics. That's pretty notable. Keep - 18:02, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC) Lee (talk)
Well, then we should start listing every single medal winner at the 2004 Olympics. Up for it? [[User:Supadawg|supadawg - Talk]] 18:08, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
You mean every single medal winner at every Olympics, right? Delete this and any article about a medalist who lacks other notable accomplishments. (This may be a good topic for Wikipedia:What's in, what's out.) —Triskaideka 18:34, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Abstain for now. I desperately want to see a consensus, because, in fact, we are getting one line articles on every Olympian. They're coming in at a trickle all day long. Each is a sentence or so, and each says no more than birthdate, team, 2004 Olympics. I think they're all a mess & would like to see them deleted, but I'm glad Supadawg listed one here so we can see community feelings. Geogre 18:13, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, tentatively. If we could get someone from Italy to fill in some information from that perspective, this could be interesting. Generally, I figure that these random short articles on Olympic athletes are probably not taking up all that much space, so it's probably not worth the effort it would take to catch them as they are created and delete them all. It's not very useful information right now, but by the time the next Olympics come around, some people might be interested in investigating previous athletes. Aranel 18:47, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • But wouldn't it be sufficient to have an overview article listing all medal winners of the 2004 Olympics? That way, they'd all be nicely cuddled together in one place, still show up in a search, and we'd have a lot less clutter. Weak delete. -- Ferkelparade π 19:11, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Winning an Olympic medal is a pretty significant accomplishment and deserving of a bio. The article is accurate and NPOV, if stubby. I'd vote keep even if she was a bronze medalist. — Gwalla | Talk 20:13, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect to an annotated list of winners. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a biographical dictionary. More B-Movie Bandit type stuff it seems. Flood Wikipedia with article after article of minimal information and watch the fools scurry around to clean up your mess. Jallan 20:15, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • Oh, and while I agree with you on the B-Movie Bandit, I don't think this is the case here. There's been a few of these, but I for one am happy to clean these up, and I don't think I'm the only one. I'm considering starting a WikiProject come the end of the Games. Ambi 09:36, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Redirect to an annotated list of Olympic medalists as suggested by Jallan, only because this article is not likely to grow out of stubhood. However, I would not object to articles about Olympic atheletes forking off from the annotated list, if an editor is willing to write more than a short blurb. • Benc • 20:53, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I wrote that summary as anonymous registering short after. I firstly compiled the 200 freestyle womens page modeling it after other swimming events and since seems a common pattern there to place a link for every participant name I just assumed it was right to go forth and fill up a page about Federica Pellegrini.
So if a decision not to include that kind of bios prevails, probably events pages should also be modified consequently.
Nevertheless I'm going to add some info for Federica, so keep check the page before a final decision (she's the youngest italian participant ever to an olympic swimming contest and also the current national record holder - achieved in semifinals).
bye Balubino 22:02, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. It would be nice to have an article for all medal winners, and this is a start. There's lots of room to grow for this stub; I can't imagine that this is the only race she has ever finished in the medals in. And if it is, well, that's a notable fact in itself. Eugene van der Pijll 22:13, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep or redirect. If it is deleted or redirected, remove the red links from Swimming at the 2004 Summer Olympics - Women's 200 metre Freestyle and similar pages to prevent similar non-notable articles being created. Angela. 23:17, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. No need to clutter up WP with even a redirect. OK to put on a list somewhere. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:41, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Ideally, all medal winners at all Olympics would have their own article. Just because it's an extremely difficult task, doesn't mean it should be disallowed! -- Chuq 02:00, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Rmhermen 04:12, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. -Sean Curtin 04:30, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I'd say if someone is an Olympic medal winner in an individual event, they deserve an article (perhaps more so in some events than others - swimming is rather more widely contested than, say, women's modern pentathlon). If someone is a medal winner in a team event, and people can't give them more than one line, then they should perhaps all be listed in a team page. Where you can give a detail biography on a team event athlete then they should have a separate article. So in this case, keep. Average Earthman 09:03, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Olympic medal winners are most certainly encyclopedic. If it's a cruddy article, put it on Cleanup. They are likely to grow, and there are people interested in working on them (me for one, but I'm waiting until after the Olympics are over for the individual articles). Ambi 09:17, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: If I'm reading the numbers correctly, this database has information on over 33,000 medals awarded in the history of the modern Olympics. According to this page there are 400 events in current Olympiads. That's 1,200 medals each time. Even accounting for the fact that some athletes/teams win multiple medals, that's still a lot of stubs. Far be it from me to belittle the achievement of winning an Olympic medal, but I do think we should limit articles to those athletes about whom we have more to say. The 300 "Olympic heroes" mentioned here might be a good start. —Triskaideka 15:36, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • If anybody is interested in this number for comparison, there are currently about 100,000 biographies in en.wikipedia. No vote from me, by the way. --Pjacobi 23:24, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Definite keep. Olympic champions are a definite should-be-included. Aris Katsaris 17:10, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. I see nothing wrong with Wikipedia containing every Olympic medal winner. Stubs on Kazakhstan swimmers are fine with me. We should strive to be the more comprehensive source online about the Olympics. -- Decumanus 03:59, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. I am in favor of all Olympians being kept if created (but no push for creation), but especially medalists. - Jonel 08:22, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Lacrimosus 12:51, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See also Talk:2004 Summer Olympics#Pages for olympic competitors for general discussion of topic.- Jonel 08:22, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep medaling is hard enough to be notable.Stirling Newberry 17:48, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep Medal-winners are likely to be the very best at that particular sport, and that certainly makes them notable, even if they accomplish little else. The Steve 08:09, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep I'd be happy if every competitor had a page of their own. Dmn / Դմն 15:17, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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